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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby bob_rx2000 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:47 pm

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Shinigami wrote:I remember in 2005 I made the mistake of flying out of Chicago in my full service "A" uniform. And if you don't know anything about Marines in uniform, there is all kinds of metal and shiny things we wear, TSA was way to rigid on rules for it took me a good while to get back security and the wand. Removing shoes, my service coat, tie clasp and then having to fully redress like an idiot past the scanner. I thought help fight terrorists but apparently that day I must have looked like one. I seriously hate flying commercially.

Confused as to why you should get a free pass through the scanners, in light of the Ft. Hood incident.

Marine, IC, Marine... I'd feel a lot safer on any flight with a good Marine in class "A" uniform on board!
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby bdcbbq » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:52 pm

I think the whole scanner issue is a joke.

The government should make this easy. Train a few bomb sniffing pigs for each airport and have the pigs screen everyone. As part of the screening process you pet the head of the pig while he's sniffing you.
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby Happy Mom » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:22 pm

bdcbbq wrote:I think the whole scanner issue is a joke.

The government should make this easy. Train a few bomb sniffing pigs for each airport and have the pigs screen everyone. As part of the screening process you pet the head of the pig while he's sniffing you.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Excellent idea!!!!
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby Cull.D.Sack » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:02 pm

bdcbbq wrote:I think the whole scanner issue is a joke.

The government should make this easy. Train a few bomb sniffing pigs for each airport and have the pigs screen everyone. As part of the screening process you pet the head of the pig while he's sniffing you.


There might be some people who, perhaps for religious reasons, might object to be in close proximity to a pig.
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby Happy Mom » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:12 pm

There might be some people who, perhaps for religious reasons, might object to be in close proximity to a pig.


LOL! That's the idea Cull.D.Sack...brilliant, isn't it?
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby Happy Mom » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:07 pm

U.S. Senate - POLITICS
Sen. Paul stopped by TSA at airport, law enforcement denies it was a detention



FILE - In this Jan. 7 file photo, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., son of Republican presidential candidate, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, campaigns for his father. On Jan. 23, Paul was stopped briefly by Nashville airport security, when a scanner found an "anomaly" on his knee.

Sen. Rand Paul's office says he was held by the Transportation Security Administration on Monday, although TSA officials deny characterization he was "detained" at Nashville Airport after an incident at the security gate.

Paul's father, presidential candidate Ron Paul, tweeted early Monday, "My son @SenRandPaul being detained by TSA for refusing full body pat-down after anomaly in body scanner in Nashville. More details coming."

Moira Bagley, the senator's spokeswoman, told Fox News that Paul (R-Ky.) called her after he went through a "full body screener," described to her as a body-imaging machine, and was stopped for an anomaly around his leg. The senator lifted his pants leg to show nothing was there and offered to go back through the machine, but the TSA official said no, only a full-body pat down would suffice.

Bagley said Paul refused, resisting on the grounds that it infringes on his rights and "private property."
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Paul's office said that the TSA official told the senator to sit down in the security area and was not given an indication of when he would be allowed to leave. Security then escorted him out of that area, but let him remain in the airport. He missed his flight.

A law enforcement official said Paul was not detained, despite claims to contrary. According to TSA, Paul triggered an alarm during routine airport screening using "millimeter wave imaging technology," which creates a generic image to protect passenger privacy. When an alarm occurs a yellow box indicates where on the body to look for the anomaly. An individual is then patted down.

"When an irregularity is found during the TSA screening process, it must be resolved prior to allowing a passenger to proceed to the secure area of the airport. Passengers who refuse to complete the screening process cannot be granted access to the secure area in order to ensure the safety of others traveling," Greg Soule, TSA spokesman said in a statement.

Bagley said Paul was "not carrying a weapon." Since the incident, he has boarded a flight to arrive in Washington Monday afternoon.

Pat downs are an issue near and dear to Paul's heart. In a hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee last year, Paul repeatedly asked TSA Administrator John Pistole about pat downs after a little girl was videotaped getting an invasive pat down.

Paul's father, who is a 12-term Texas congressman, has also called for defunding TSA. On Monday, his campaign issued a statement from Paul saying the actions against his son are an example of wasted federal spending.


"The police state in this country is growing out of control. One of the ultimate embodiments of this is the TSA that gropes and grabs our children, our seniors and our loved ones and neighbors with disabilities. The TSA does all of this while doing nothing to keep us safe," Paul said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01 ... detention/
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby dunk50 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:58 pm

I think R & R Pauls are both a little strange BUT I agree with them on this point. I know security and I know when I am not secured. TSA SUCKS!! Go to NY or Chicago and see who is working on / loading the planes cargo bays and food, towels etc. We need honest to God security starting with PROFILING. THEY HONESTLY THOUGHT A SENATOR / CONGRESSMAN WAS A THREAT!!! Fricken idiot rules so as not to OFFEND. I say stop all Muslims and NO I don't care if they have hurt feelings. They are the ones threatening us everyday and trying to kill us all over the world. My 92 year old mother is NOT!!! I SAY THE TERRORIST HAVE ALREADY WON! We spend billions and require our security to ignore them!! Go figure!!! :snooty:
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby bdcbbq » Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:37 pm

Cull.D.Sack wrote:
bdcbbq wrote:I think the whole scanner issue is a joke.

The government should make this easy. Train a few bomb sniffing pigs for each airport and have the pigs screen everyone. As part of the screening process you pet the head of the pig while he's sniffing you.


There might be some people who, perhaps for religious reasons, might object to be in close proximity to a pig.


Pigs can also be used.
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby Wilson » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:35 pm

This one is a toughie. On one hand I don't see the big deal. I travel. I wear as little as possible. Slip on shoes, no belt, no hat, take off watch etc put in bin, keys, change in bin, cell in bin, laptop out and in bin. Carry on us right size, no liquids. No knives, files, scissors. I also don't have a attitude. I don't give them a reason to want to search me but sometimes it happens. I don't mind the full scan, big deal, over in 10 seconds. If a pat down is necessary, no big deal, not much clothing to have to pat through.

Is a scan a bad thing? (I have seen parents make a game out of it so as not to scare the child) It is just what we have to do to keep our airports safe. It also sends a message that we are not afraid to search anyone. But some common sense is certainly in order.

Now the problem I do have is common sense. Some old people have pacemakers, steel plates, bone replacements etc. Small children, well, at times unfortunately, they are used as mules. So do we assume this and put them through a invasive pat down? Or do we assume because they are old, sickly, young or assp holes we should let them slide? I think we have to error on the side of caution, however, there must be a bit of common sense as well.
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Re: Full Body Scanners; Taking Away More American's Rights

Postby bob_rx2000 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:06 am

Wilson wrote:This one is a toughie. On one hand I don't see the big deal. I travel. I wear as little as possible. Slip on shoes, no belt, no hat, take off watch etc put in bin, keys, change in bin, cell in bin, laptop out and in bin. Carry on us right size, no liquids. No knives, files, scissors. I also don't have a attitude. I don't give them a reason to want to search me but sometimes it happens. I don't mind the full scan, big deal, over in 10 seconds. If a pat down is necessary, no big deal, not much clothing to have to pat through.

Is a scan a bad thing? (I have seen parents make a game out of it so as not to scare the child) It is just what we have to do to keep our airports safe. It also sends a message that we are not afraid to search anyone. But some common sense is certainly in order.

Now the problem I do have is common sense. Some old people have pacemakers, steel plates, bone replacements etc. Small children, well, at times unfortunately, they are used as mules. So do we assume this and put them through a invasive pat down? Or do we assume because they are old, sickly, young or assp holes we should let them slide? I think we have to error on the side of caution, however, there must be a bit of common sense as well.



Wilson, perhaps we should address the real problems, rather than erode everyone's rights with an out-of-control agency such as the TSA?
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