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Postby Happy Mom » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:51 am

This video, of what is happening in Europe, is so disturbing. It has scared me like no other...

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Re: Refugees

Postby Happy Mom » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:55 am

Forget What Media are Saying About Syrian Refugee Crisis, THIS is What Americans are Saying
BY KELSEY RUPP (12 HOURS AGO) |
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The first major survey of Americans on terrorism and refugees was released today, and while Republicans and Democrats have predicable opinions on Obama’s policies, Independents are roundly against the President.

According to a NBC News/Survey Monkey poll released Wednesday evening, self-identified Independents side squarely with Republicans on the questions of increasing the number of Syrian refugees and migrants coming into the United States and the role of military force against ISIS.

Among Independents:

59% disapprove of increasing the number of Syrians allowed into the U.S., versus 40% who approve;
55% favor “overwhelming military force” to defeat terrorism, versus 43% who say military action leads to more terrorism;
And 64% support sending additional ground troops to fight ISIS, versus 34% who oppose.
Here are the results of Independents compared alongside Republicans and Democrats:

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Over eight in 10 Republicans favor additional ground troops (84%) and aggressive military action (86%), as well as oppose increasing the number of Syrian refugees and migrants (81%).

About six in 10 Democrats approve of a more generous resettlement policy (65%) and think too much military force will lead to more terrorism (60%). And only 54% of Democrats support sending more ground troops to Iraq and Syria, while 44% oppose the idea.

The poll was conducted Sunday through Tuesday among 5,755 adults nationwide.

Despite the worries of many Americans, President Obama has insisted Syrian refugees are coming to America.

Just hours before the NBC News/Survey Monkey poll was released, Obama had this to say on Twitter:

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We will provide refuge to at least 10,000 refugees fleeing violence in Syria over the next year after they pass the highest security checks.


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Re: Refugees

Postby Happy Mom » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:59 am

What 8 Men Who Were Just Detained at Turkey’s Airport Had on Them Takes Refugee Crisis to New Level
BY JUSTEN CHARTERS (19 HOURS AGO)
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Eight men were detained at Ataturk Airport in Turkey, and they are believed to be members of ISIS, the terror group responsible for the atrocities in France on November 13th.

AFP reported that:

Turkish police detained eight suspected members of the ISIS extrtemist group, state media said Wednesday, adding they were planning to sneak into Europe posing as refugees.

The police found a hand-written note on one of the suspects detailing a migration route from Istanbul to Germany via Greece, Serbia and Hungary, including smuggler boats across the Mediterranean Sea, as well as several train and bus journeys.
Following the Paris attacks, a Syrian passport was found on one of the bodies of the terrorists that blew themselves up. The Greek government confirmed that the jihadist came through the Greek island of Lagos. In addition, he was believed to have gone through Serbia.


As it turns out, Serbia has seen a nearly indistinguishable copy of this passport before – and it hasn’t happened just one time.

According to the Daily Mail:

In a shocking indictment of the EU’s porous borders, yesterday Serbian police revealed they had arrested a man carrying a Syrian passport which was almost a carbon copy of the one found on the IS bomber’s corpse on Friday.
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It had the same name, date of birth and place of birth. The only difference was the photograph. Serbian officials said as many as six other men this year had entered the EU with virtually identical passports.
It’s not clear at this time what type of passports the men detained in Turkey were carrying, but if it’s the same as the bomber and other fake-refugees, we can just be grateful that they were caught in time.


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Re: Refugees

Postby bob_rx2000 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:14 pm

This is truly a wicked problem. There is no solution to it per se. Lots of different considerations suggest themselves...
  • The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact. We are not bound to accept refugees who would bring violence to our nation by any rule of our government.
  • There are legitimate refugees trying to escape the violence in Syria. As a Christian my heart goes out to those people and I would hope we deal with them charitably.
  • There are clearly terrorist fanatics trying to pass through as part of the flood of refugees.
  • There really isn't a very good way of identifying the fanatics that is also easy.
  • We ought to be very careful with all refugees of both sexes over the age of about 8 and under the age of about 70 who are admitted and take extraordinary measures to vet them.
  • If we admit these refugees, we are presumably saying that our society is willing to support them at some level. Shouldn't we be looking at our own homeless vets and the mentally ill as a higher priority?
  • Simply because there are already some cells of terrorists here now doesn't mean we ought to freely admit more of them.
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Re: Refugees

Postby Happy Mom » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:17 pm

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Re: Refugees

Postby Happy Mom » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:33 am

House defies Obama, approves bill halting Syrian refugees

By Cristina Marcos - 11/19/15 01:57 PM EST

In a 289-137 vote, the House on Thursday easily approved legislation that requires new screening requirements on refugees from Syria and Iraq before they can enter the United States.



Forty-seven Democrats defied President Obama’s veto threat and backed the bill — enough to override a presidential veto given the six Democrats and two Republicans who missed the vote.
The 47 Democrats who voted for the bill ranged from centrist Blue Dogs, vulnerable lawmakers in tough reelection races and even one member of leadership: Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), who heads House Democrats' communications efforts.

Two Republicans voted against the bill: Reps. Walter Jones (N.C.) and Steve King (Iowa).

The outcome suggests the House could override Obama if he vetoes the measure, although there's no guarantee that Democrats will side against the president if they are asked to sustain a veto.

The big question is whether the House will get a chance at an override vote.

The legislation will now go to the Senate, where it may face a tougher path to passage.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) vowed to block the House bill if it is considered by the upper chamber after the Thanksgiving recess.

“The problem is not with refugees,” Reid said. “I don’t think we’ll be dealing with it over here.”

When asked about the prospect of Obama vetoing the legislation, Reid said, “Don’t worry, it won’t get passed. Next question?” :naughty: :doh: :roll:

Democrats in the upper chamber have been divided over the issue, and both parties have their eyes on winning a Senate majority in next year’s elections.

The House vote comes less than a week after at least 129 people were killed in the Paris terrorist attacks.

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria has claimed responsibility for the carnage, and is also a big factor in the wave of refugees from Iraq and Syria flowing into Europe.

Fears that terrorists could enter the United States through the refugee program sparked the House bill, which moved quickly through the chamber. Obama has planned to allow 10,000 Syrian refugees to enter the United States.

Reports that one of the Paris attackers entered Europe by posing as a Syrian refugee has further fanned the flames.

The legislation would prevent any refugees from Syria or Iraq from entering the United States until the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence certify that none of them are dangerous.

“If our law enforcement and our intelligence community cannot verify that each and every person is not a security threat, then they shouldn't be allowed in,” said Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

“We cannot and we should not wait to act. Not when our national security is at stake,” he added.

Obama has engaged in an at times personal war of words with Republicans over the legislation, even as he continues a foreign trip.

He argued that keeping out Syrian refugees fleeing terrorism and war in their country was an affront to American values.

In a statement outlining its veto threat, the Obama administration argued the bill would “provide no meaningful additional security for the American people” and impose new certification requirements that effectively end the refugee program.

“The United States has always been and should always be a place of refuge,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.). “We might as well take down the Statue of Liberty.”

Yet top administration officials, just hours before the vote, struggled to convince undecided House Democrats to oppose the bill.

The Obama administration has said the vetting process typically already takes more than a year for each refugee. But FBI Director James Comey acknowledged in a hearing last month that certain gaps remain in the administration’s ability to fully vet each refugee applicant.

If the bill is blocked in the Senate, House Republicans are already looking toward a catchall government spending bill, known as an omnibus, as their best leverage to force the Obama administration’s hand.

Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.), a member of the conservative Freedom Caucus, said he would vote against a spending bill that doesn’t contain provisions halting the refugee program.

“I think that we have to exert maximum leverage,” Salmon told The Hill.

Those threats raise the possibility of a showdown over the issue that could lead to a government shutdown. Congress must pass legislation by Dec. 11 to keep the government open.

Alexander Bolton and Scott Wong contributed.

This story was updated at 3:52 p.m.
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Re: Refugees

Postby Happy Mom » Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:37 am

MUSLIM COUNTRIES REFUSE TO TAKE A SINGLE SYRIAN REFUGEE, CITE RISK OF EXPOSURE TO TERRORISM


NOV 17, 2015by ADMINin MIDDLE EAST & WORLD
by DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS

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Five of the wealthiest Muslim countries have taken no Syrian refugees in at all, arguing that doing so would open them up to the risk of terrorism. Although the oil rich countries have handed over aid money, Britain has donated more than Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar combined.


Between 10 and 12 million Syrians have been displaced by the bloody civil war raging in their country. Most still remain within Syria’s borders, but around four million have fled over the borders into neighbouring countries, mostly Turkey Jordan and Lebanon, and beyond.


Lebanon, which has 1.1 million Syrian refugees, shut her borders to the Syrians in June of last year. Jordan, host to another 630,000, followed suit in August last year, preventing more Syrians from abandoning their country.

By early August 2015, European states had received nearly 350,000 asylum applications from Syrians, nearly a third of whom applied to Germany for asylum. Another 65,000 have applied Sweden and 50,000 in Serbia. Hungary and Austria have received close to 19,000 applications each although that figure is likely to rise, while the UK is processing 7,030 applications, according to the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR).

He said: “The records of Gulf countries is absolutely appalling, in terms of actually showing compassion and sharing the responsibility of this crisis… It is a disgrace.” None of the Gulf States signed the 1951 Refugee Convention, which legally defines a refugee as “A person who owing to a well-founded fea

Yet amidst cries for Europe to do more, it has transpired that of the five wealthiest countries on the Arabian Peninsula, that is, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, not one has taken in a single refugee from Syria. Instead, they have argued that accepting large numbers of Syrians is a threat to their safety, as terrorists could be hiding within an influx of people. Sherif Elsayid-Ali, Amnesty International’s Head of Refugee and Migrants’ Rights, has slammed their inaction as “shameful”.

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Re: Refugees

Postby raycyrx » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:50 pm

bob_rx2000 wrote:This is truly a wicked problem. There is no solution to it per se. Lots of different considerations suggest themselves...
  • The Constitution of the United States is not a suicide pact. We are not bound to accept refugees who would bring violence to our nation by any rule of our government.
  • There are legitimate refugees trying to escape the violence in Syria. As a Christian my heart goes out to those people and I would hope we deal with them charitably.
  • There are clearly terrorist fanatics trying to pass through as part of the flood of refugees.
  • There really isn't a very good way of identifying the fanatics that is also easy.
  • We ought to be very careful with all refugees of both sexes over the age of about 8 and under the age of about 70 who are admitted and take extraordinary measures to vet them.
  • If we admit these refugees, we are presumably saying that our society is willing to support them at some level. Shouldn't we be looking at our own homeless vets and the mentally ill as a higher priority?
  • Simply because there are already some cells of terrorists here now doesn't mean we ought to freely admit more of them.

Concur! Terrible problem with no easy answers.

I don't believe what social media tells me about the percentages of military age males among the refugees. Obama, meanwhile, has doubled down since the game changing attack on Paris. He's painted opponents of his current approach to the entire situation as villains when many have very reasonable concerns.

Meanwhile:
http://bearingdrift.com/2015/11/18/myth ... gee-issue/

Also, Medved brought up what I think is a very good point. Instead of having to defend why refugees should not be brought here, it should be up to the President and those that side with him to convince us WHY they SHOULD be brought here. There are many legitimate logistical reasons why the USA is not the best alternative. Heck, transport alone from the other side of the world is expensive.
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Re: Refugees

Postby bdcbbq » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:28 pm

This is driven by 3 issues:
1. No trust by many Americans in Obama and his administration

2. Media and political posturing fueled by the election.

3. Terrorism fears, which are legitimate.
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