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Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby Happy Mom » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:36 am

Legislator who created bill now wants the law changed
By Kristin Bien (kbien@wsbt.com)


Story Updated: Jun 10, 2010 at 6:31 PM EDT

MISHAWAKA — A new law taking effect on July 1 could be changed again when lawmakers return in January.
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Starting in July, no matter how old you are, you will be carded. Whether you are 22 or 82, you will have to show ID to purchase alcohol in Indiana.

The law will apply to any store selling "carryout" alcohol — that means liquor stores, convenience stores, and supermarkets. But the creator of the law says that is not how he wanted the law to work.


State Senator Ron Alting of Lafayette originally drafted a bill to allow microbreweries to sell carryout on Sundays. The law was changed in committee and, among other things, requires clerks to check everyone's ID.

Now Alting says he looks forward to changing it back.

"The intent was you only card for carryout — anyone that looks age 50 or less," Alting said in a phone interview with WSBT.

Much to the surprise of Alting, there has been a lot of support for the law. In fact, many stores have already implemented the policy, even though the law doesn't go into effect until July. Most hope it will cut down on alcohol sales to minors, by making ID checks routine.

"If you want to get alcohol, show your ID. That way there is no guess,” said Sergeant Regis Thimons with the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Department.

"What it is going to prevent is a sale being made to a 19-year-old who may look 26 or 27," said Scot Imus, executive director of the Indiana Petroleum Marketers and Convenience Store Association (IPCA).

Imus cites a two-year undercover study by the Alcohol Tobacco Commission that found a 35 percent failure rate when it came to selling alcohol to minors in Indiana. He says that is why many of the IPCA member businesses voluntarily began carding every customer. Now, this new law will reinforce what Imus says businesses are already doing.

"We would hope that people understand that the few seconds it takes to show a clerk an ID is going to be well worth it if it prevents just one instance of alcohol winding up in the wrong hands," Imus said.

But not everyone agrees. State Representative Ryan Dvorak voted against the law because he says the ID provision didn't make sense and was drafted poorly.


"The underlying issue is that underage drinking is a serious problem. I think everyone agrees with that,” Dvorak said. “The problem is, this law isn't going to stop underage drinking. It is going to inconvenience a lot of people and really is just nonsensical.

That is part of the reason that come January, Alting is going to try to get the law changed.

"My message is I will be offering a bill this upcoming session that will be worded in my original intent," Alting said.

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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby Wilson » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:33 am

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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby Happy Mom » Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:59 am

Get ready to show your ID for Indiana alcohol purchases
New law requires all buyers of alcohol to be carded.


By DARYL BJORAAS
Tribune Staff Writer

What do Betty White, B.B. King and Neil Armstrong all have in common?

Well, if they're in Indiana anytime after July 1, they'll all be required to show ID if they want to buy alcohol.

Senate Enrolled Act 75 is a new law that will require liquor and convenience stores, pharmacies and supermarkets to check photo IDs for anyone purchasing alcohol, regardless of their age.

And that was never the intention, according to the bill's co-author, Republican Sen. Ron Alting from Lafayette.

"It caught us all off guard," Alting said. "We thought we looked at the wording pretty carefully."

Alting said Senate Enrolled Act 75 was supposed to help stop alcohol from getting into the hands of minors.

Instead, it's going to create a lot of confusion at the checkout counter.

It's an example of poor public policy, Alting said. The cloudy language was a result of Indiana legislators having too much on their plate.

The law had a number of alcohol reforms rolled up into one bill; they included extending Sunday hours for bars, allowing liquor stores to sell alcohol on Election Day and Sunday carryout sales for microbreweries.

"There were so many things going into one bill," Alting said. "We apologize, that was never the intent."

State Rep. Ryan Dvorak, D-South Bend, called the law sloppy.

Dvorak was one of 21 representatives who voted no to the changes in legislation.

He raised issues in regard to changing Election Day sales as well as the carding requirement.

"Making an 80-year-old person show their ID when you clearly know they're not underage is unnecessary," Dvorak said.


The bill passed through the Indiana House of Representatives 74-21 in February and through the State Senate 28-17 on March 1.

He agreed with Alting, saying the law was a result of having a limited amount of time to pass legislation.

The carding change probably wouldn't have passed if it were on its own, he said.

Some people, like Joe Lackey, president of the Indiana Grocery and Convenience Store Association, said the law wasn't strong enough.

"That 85-year-old guy in a wheelchair has a small price to pay," Lackey said. "You got your wallet out anyway, what's the big deal?"

Lackey said customers will be surprised at first, but with time they'll get used to it.

He sympathizes with store clerks who will take the brunt of customer dissatisfaction.

"People are going to come in and they're not going to be happy," Lackey said. "I feel bad for those who are on the other side of the counter getting yelled at. That's very unfortunate."

He doesn't think it will hold up lines in grocery stores, because alcohol only accounts for around 2 percent of total business, he said.

Lackey wants to get rid of the human element of deciding who is young enough to get carded.

"This has been an ongoing problem with us," Lackey said. "Anytime you try to guess who reasonably appears to be of age, you're going to have mistakes and you're going to have errors."

Lackey wants Indiana lawmakers to put a universal product code on state licenses that could be swiped on cash registers to determine whether someone is of age.

Food distribution and the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles' software isn't yet compatible, he said, and it hasn't been tried anywhere else.

Daniel Rousseve, owner of City-Wide Liquor, which has four locations throughout Mishawaka and South Bend, has lost a few longtime customers due to the new law.

Even though it doesn't go into effect until July 1, he started enforcing it two months ago to get customers acclimated to the change.

"There has been a little resentment," Rousseve said. "These are customers who have been coming in here for 15 to 20 years and I have to start carding them."

Most seem OK with it once he tells them it's the law.

He said despite having a business near the Michigan border, he doesn't expect to lose many customers.

"I really wish this law would've come earlier," Rousseve said. "Carding people based on whether they look under 40 is age discrimination. It's only fair if we card everybody."

Lois Groszek, 60, of Vandalia, agrees.

She said that despite residing in Michigan, a state that leaves it up to the clerk to make a diligent inquiry about a person's age, she will still come to Indiana for alcohol.

"It's not a problem at all," Groszek said outside of City-Wide Liquor on Grape Road. "The prices here are cheaper and there's a better selection."

People will get used to it, she said.

Other people, like Dave Anthony, 75, of Granger, think the law could lead to some problems.

He doesn't buy alcohol very often, but said he is concerned about days when there are long lines at stores.

"I think it's a bit ridiculous to card me at my age," Anthony said.

Alting will hold a news conference early next week to talk about the new law, he said, but a place and time have not yet been determined.

"Stick with us, folks," Alting said. "We're working to get this fixed."


The soonest the law will be able to get changed, if at all, would be in January when the House and Senate resume session.

Staff writer Daryl Bjoraas:
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http://sbtinfo.com/article/20100613/News01/6130352/1130
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby NMSB » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:31 pm

Worst law passed in recent years, second only to allowing any idiot and their brother to purchase explosives disquised as fireworks and blow them off for a whole month and half before the 4th without any repercussions, all the while disturbing the peace in neighborhoods all across the city, county and state.
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby Wilson » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:36 pm

Heard a story from an 82 year old aunt the other day.

She went to buy some wine for a special occasion but had only taken her bills with her and left her purse in the care with her husband.
She gets up to the cashier and gets carded. Has to go all the way out of the store to the parking lot and back to the car to retrieve her ID. Does not have a handicap tag so had parked a good distance. Oh, it was raining also. Extremely wet and ticked off! Dumb ass law. :naughty: :roll:
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby st michael jr » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:23 pm

I don't understand the reason for this law. There is already the law that you have to be under 21 to purchase alcohol. This will create more calls for service for police having to deal with those who are too ticked off when asked for ID
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby SouthBendInvestor » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:38 pm

I dont understand what all the confusion is, carry your ID show your ID when you purchase alcohol for carry out, End of Story.

Doesnt take too many brain cells to understand it folks.
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby dunk50 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:05 pm

SBI it's not a question of brain cells! It's the government making us do something that is totally idiotic. And if you don't see the problem your part of it. Why in Gods name would anyone that is in the 80's or 50's for that matter half to show id to buy alcohol. For Christs sake man, think what your saying. Most states don't require id to vote, illegals without a drivers license can't be asked for any other id or citizenship confirmation but it's fricken OK to make half the State show id because the dumb ass law allows the store owners and clerks to use the "legal defense" when caught selling to minors that they looked 21. I always say that the answer has always been, LITTLE JOHNNY TALKED IN CLASS SO WE KEEP THE WHOLE CLASS AFTER SCHOOL! How about just beech slapping Little Johnny!!!!!!! :naughty:
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby Kingsman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:02 pm

What you say, Dunk 50. Mr. Investor, you've just been taken to school.
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Re: Everyone having to Show ID Law Might Be Changed

Postby raycyrx » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:25 pm

NMSB wrote:Worst law passed in recent years, second only to allowing any idiot and their brother to purchase explosives disquised as fireworks and blow them off for a whole month and half before the 4th without any repercussions, all the while disturbing the peace in neighborhoods all across the city, county and state.

Have you called the police to report the disturbance of the peace?

Fireworks bans are counter to the basic reason our nation was established.
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