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Postby Ideal Baloney » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:00 pm

Cannabis is the BEST arthritis pain reliever, bar none. Or so I am told.

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Postby bob_rx2000 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:08 pm

I have a DVD copy of Reefer Madness and it is one of the funniest movies ever made.
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby Spider » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:17 pm

Doesn't matter either way to me, I just wish they'd be honest about it. "We want to legalize marijuana because people want to get high and its worth the cost to soceity".

Most of the legalization arguments are bs.

Taxing it is good, but the idea we'd make money is silly. We collect several billion in alcohol taxes a year, but the cost in terms of drunk drivers, domestic violence, addiction, etc far outstrips what we make.

Medical Marijuana is a stupid excuse for 99% of the people that just want to get high, and they ruin it for the extremely small percentage of people that actually would get use out of it. Beyond that, medical marinol has all the same effects without getting high and works for almost all the diseases that medical mj is supposed to help...but nobody brings that up because they just want to get high.

It will do nothing to the drug cartels. They won't clean up their act and go back to school. They'll shift to harder drugs, guns, human trafficking, etc. And the violence will increase because theres a smaller market. Dunk, you are a cop, how many arrests of guns, cocaine, etc., all started with finding some weed shake or odor of MJ? You'll lose that, and those bad guys.

THC content in MJ back in the 70s was 2-3%. These days its 10-12%. Its not the pot that everyones parents smoked. It is far more impairing and addicting. It will be worse once legit companies start pumping in all the same chemicals they do to cigarettes. Don't forget, thanks to Obamacare we'll be paying for allllll these stoners.

More people WILL drive high, and people WILL die. There WILL be major problems with addiction, regulating, drunk driving, selling to kids, etc. Its just going to happen. But it already happens with alcohol and we as a society accept that. We're willing to lose thousands of people a year so we can get a beer at Applebees. I am not saying thats wrong. That is our decision as a society to make. We just need to make sure we're taking responsibility for that decision and not deluding ourselves that we're doing something 'right'. We're doing something 'greedy', which is our right.
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby Buck Wheat » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:40 pm

bob_rx2000 wrote:I have a DVD copy of Reefer Madness and it is one of the funniest movies ever made.


REEFER MADNESS is one of Buck's favorite flicks, Bob. Thanks for jogging my hazy memory.

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Postby Kingsman » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:16 pm

Spidey: Informative and well-argued. Thanks!
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Postby bdcbbq » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:00 pm

Spider's post is a reminder that we as a society do not always look at the big picture from all points of view before supporting or not supporting many issues.
No matter what the issue is there are trade-offs to be made. We would be wise to balance those trades-offs, especially when finances are involved. Remember the sales job on lotteries and gambling to fund education? This ended up being a way to redirect funds. I like the idea of "sin" taxes being used to support designated areas, but the should increase the funding in those areas, and not be used to replace the current funds.
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby Xenokilla » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:07 pm

Spider wrote:
THC content in MJ back in the 70s was 2-3%. These days its 10-12%. Its not the pot that everyones parents smoked. It is far more impairing and addicting. It will be worse once legit companies start pumping in all the same chemicals they do to cigarettes. Don't forget, thanks to Obamacare we'll be paying for allllll these stoners.


Not quite: http://stash.norml.org/not-your-fathers ... is-potency

Spider wrote:More people WILL drive high, and people WILL die. There WILL be major problems with addiction, regulating, drunk driving, selling to kids, etc. Its just going to happen. But it already happens with alcohol and we as a society accept that. We're willing to lose thousands of people a year so we can get a beer at Applebees. I am not saying thats wrong. That is our decision as a society to make. We just need to make sure we're taking responsibility for that decision and not deluding ourselves that we're doing something 'right'. We're doing something 'greedy', which is our right.


Correct, this is already happening though. De... eviling weed and taking a harm reduction and education approach will reduce, but not eliminate, a fair amount of these issues. People will do stupid things regardless of wither or not its legal, but if we take the taboo off of it, it creates a way for an honest dialouge to happen, a opposed to everyone sticking their heads in the sand and pretending pot is evil and no one does it. Same goes for sex ed imho.
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby clearblue1096 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:55 pm

Spider wrote:Taxing it is good, but the idea we'd make money is silly. We collect several billion in alcohol taxes a year, but the cost in terms of drunk drivers, domestic violence, addiction, etc far outstrips what we make.


You're not considering the savings legalization will have. The money saved through the legal system like incarcerations and special drug task forces. Estimates in savings are between $10 and $15 billion per year. Taxation will bring in another $6 billion. Don't confuse the side-effects/ ill-effects of marijuana use with alcohol and other "hard" drugs. You're talking apples and oranges.


Spider wrote:It will do nothing to the drug cartels. They won't clean up their act and go back to school. They'll shift to harder drugs, guns, human trafficking, etc. And the violence will increase because theres a smaller market. Dunk, you are a cop, how many arrests of guns, cocaine, etc., all started with finding some weed shake or odor of MJ? You'll lose that, and those bad guys.


Actually this is false. Marijuana makes up 60% of the revenue for drug cartels. It's a cash cow for them. It helps finance it's other lines of business like human trafficking and gun running, both which are more expensive to operate. There is not a larger market for the harder drugs. If there were, the cartels would be meeting this demand. It's not like they can start a marketing campaign to increase sales...
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby Happy Mom » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:49 pm

Exactly, weed was made illegal because people were afraid if white house wives smoked it they'd go out and get it on with African American jazz musicians. No, really.

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."


Hilarious!!!!! :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:
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Re: Indiana police leader says he'd legalize marijuana [WSBT

Postby backstagedee » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:18 pm

The taxing angle is bogus for the most part. Making decent alcohol takes a bit of skill, patience, equipment investment and may involve some health risks if done incorrectly. On the other hand, anyone who can keep a shrub alive can grow their own acceptable dope. How the hell do you tax that?
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